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*Are you a razor restorer who needs to take damaged blades and bring them back to life and shave-readiness? | *Are you a razor restorer who needs to take damaged blades and bring them back to life and shave-readiness? | ||
| − | Each of these types of honer profiles have different requirements for the stones they will own. Theoretically, you can survive using the "one stone" approach, but each razor does have an optimum stone set - and more importantly, a technique for using the required hones. So generally, when somebody asks what stone or how to use what stone, the question to ask them is: "What are you trying to accomplish with the stone?"<ref>gssixgun in | + | Each of these types of honer profiles have different requirements for the stones they will own. Theoretically, you can survive using the "one stone" approach, but each razor does have an optimum stone set - and more importantly, a technique for using the required hones. So generally, when somebody asks what stone or how to use what stone, the question to ask them is: "What are you trying to accomplish with the stone?"<ref>gssixgun in http://straightrazorpalace.com/basic-honing/34921-new-naniwa-stones-using-them.html#post368819</ref> Above all, however, stropping is the most important new skill you have to learn, not honing. |
== Refreshing vs starting from scratch == | == Refreshing vs starting from scratch == | ||
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== A full honing setup == | == A full honing setup == | ||
| − | A full set of hones will include, but not necessarily be limited to, the following hones: <ref>[ | + | A full set of hones will include, but not necessarily be limited to, the following hones: <ref>[http://straightrazorpalace.com/members/gssixgun.html gssixgun] in http://straightrazorpalace.com/basic-honing/26777-what-hone-s-do-i-need.html</ref> : |
;A bevel setting stone approximately 1k | ;A bevel setting stone approximately 1k | ||
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:The stones themselves all vary, even between rocks mined from the same area and time-period. Technique will also play a part in determining if a certain piece of stone will work. To some it might, to others it will not. | :The stones themselves all vary, even between rocks mined from the same area and time-period. Technique will also play a part in determining if a certain piece of stone will work. To some it might, to others it will not. | ||
| − | : <ref> | + | : <ref>http://straightrazorpalace.com/advanced-honing-topics/28011-about-blues-yellows.html#post283833</ref> |
You have several choices of how to accomplish this setup whether you use natural, man-made stone, or a Diamond-style stone, but you are going to have to be able to cover those 4 grit ranges. There really is no true shortcut here if you expect to take razors acquired in need of restoration from butter knife dull (or damaged) to shaving sharp: You are going to end up ''needing'' these types of stones. There are many more options out there, both natural and man made. A lot of them are discussed on the SRP forums. Picking stones from what brands and makes are listed above will provide you with a user base that has a lot of input to give on how to use them in a honing progression. | You have several choices of how to accomplish this setup whether you use natural, man-made stone, or a Diamond-style stone, but you are going to have to be able to cover those 4 grit ranges. There really is no true shortcut here if you expect to take razors acquired in need of restoration from butter knife dull (or damaged) to shaving sharp: You are going to end up ''needing'' these types of stones. There are many more options out there, both natural and man made. A lot of them are discussed on the SRP forums. Picking stones from what brands and makes are listed above will provide you with a user base that has a lot of input to give on how to use them in a honing progression. | ||
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== Finishing pastes and similar abrasives == | == Finishing pastes and similar abrasives == | ||
| − | This section was originally posted by [ | + | This section was originally posted by [http://straightrazorpalace.com/members/tony-miller.html Tony Miller]<ref>http://straightrazorpalace.com/strops/27194-finishing-pastes-0-5-0-25-chromium.html</ref>, and addresses the question of which pastes to use for a pasted strop. It has since been extended using amongst others material posted by [http://straightrazorpalace.com/members/gssixgun.html Glen Mercurio]<ref>http://straightrazorpalace.com/beginners/49674-advice-regarding-beginners-hone.html#post549851</ref>. |
We get asked this question almost daily...."what pastes should we choose on a 4 side or 2 side paddle?" We hope our suggestions will hold up in practice for others or if you guys have certain tried and true suggestions that stand out above the others. | We get asked this question almost daily...."what pastes should we choose on a 4 side or 2 side paddle?" We hope our suggestions will hold up in practice for others or if you guys have certain tried and true suggestions that stand out above the others. | ||
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;Yellow | ;Yellow | ||
| − | :Not a finishing paste, but a strop conditioner for leather conditioner only; abrasive quantity unknown<ref>gssixgun in | + | :Not a finishing paste, but a strop conditioner for leather conditioner only; abrasive quantity unknown<ref>gssixgun in http://straightrazorpalace.com/newbies-corner/35070-how-can-you-tell-if-your-blade-sharp.html#post369379</ref>. |
==== Other pastes and powders ==== | ==== Other pastes and powders ==== | ||
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Barber hones, such as Swatys, are often times used to do quick touch-ups of an already sharp razor. Some of the barber hones are of a finer grit than other stones which is why different people have preferences for different brands. | Barber hones, such as Swatys, are often times used to do quick touch-ups of an already sharp razor. Some of the barber hones are of a finer grit than other stones which is why different people have preferences for different brands. | ||
| − | Coticules are a natural stone cut from sedimentary rock. They were the mainstay of barbers for many years, and are still favored by some. These stones are versatile in that you can create slurry by rubbing them with another stone causing them to cut faster, or you can use them with water only and they can be used as more of a finisher stone. Some old barbers would even use the lather from their hot lather machines in combination with these hones to achieve their own particular honing "perfection."<ref> | + | Coticules are a natural stone cut from sedimentary rock. They were the mainstay of barbers for many years, and are still favored by some. These stones are versatile in that you can create slurry by rubbing them with another stone causing them to cut faster, or you can use them with water only and they can be used as more of a finisher stone. Some old barbers would even use the lather from their hot lather machines in combination with these hones to achieve their own particular honing "perfection."<ref>http://straightrazorpalace.com/basic-honing/30929-difference-between-hones.html#post317081</ref> |
| − | The water stone category is a large category of hones which include the previously mentioned stones as well as other naturals such as the Escher and Thuringan family and the many synthetic hones. The Norton 4/8 used to be the recommended hone for beginning straight razor users until the Shapton Glass Stones and the Naniwa Super Stones came along. The Norton 4/8 Combo is still a good tool for a new person to learn to hone with, but the Naniwa Super Stones really seem made for straight razors and a set of 1K, 5K, 8K and 12K should provide a lifetime of great results. The Shapton Glass stones are certainly a good alternative to the Naniwa Super Stones as well.<ref> | + | The water stone category is a large category of hones which include the previously mentioned stones as well as other naturals such as the Escher and Thuringan family and the many synthetic hones. The Norton 4/8 used to be the recommended hone for beginning straight razor users until the Shapton Glass Stones and the Naniwa Super Stones came along. The Norton 4/8 Combo is still a good tool for a new person to learn to hone with, but the Naniwa Super Stones really seem made for straight razors and a set of 1K, 5K, 8K and 12K should provide a lifetime of great results. The Shapton Glass stones are certainly a good alternative to the Naniwa Super Stones as well.<ref>http://straightrazorpalace.com/basic-honing/30929-difference-between-hones.html#post317081</ref> |
| − | There are variations in the characteristics of natural stones since they are composed of whatever sedimentary material that time and weather dictated at the time of the forming of these stones. They will generally be similar, but some will cut faster than others which may be more suited to finishing. The synthetics are more uniform in composition, and are therefore more predictable. Doing the homework to learn which grits to use will get a razor sharp once the honing skills are developed using naturals or synthetics.<ref> | + | There are variations in the characteristics of natural stones since they are composed of whatever sedimentary material that time and weather dictated at the time of the forming of these stones. They will generally be similar, but some will cut faster than others which may be more suited to finishing. The synthetics are more uniform in composition, and are therefore more predictable. Doing the homework to learn which grits to use will get a razor sharp once the honing skills are developed using naturals or synthetics.<ref>http://straightrazorpalace.com/basic-honing/30929-difference-between-hones.html#post317081</ref> |
== Buying hones == | == Buying hones == | ||
| − | Before buying a hone of any type, we recommend that you go through the [[:Category:Hones|hones category]] of this Wiki, in which you will find various articles that should help you decide what your use of a particular hone will be. This should help you determine the right stone(s) for you. Everyone does not need a set of Shapton hones, or a [[:Category:SRP Hone Database|Japanese natural hone]]. We also want to encourage you to read the threads in the [ | + | Before buying a hone of any type, we recommend that you go through the [[:Category:Hones|hones category]] of this Wiki, in which you will find various articles that should help you decide what your use of a particular hone will be. This should help you determine the right stone(s) for you. Everyone does not need a set of Shapton hones, or a [[:Category:SRP Hone Database|Japanese natural hone]]. We also want to encourage you to read the threads in the [http://straightrazorpalace.com/hones/ hones] and [http://straightrazorpalace.com/honing/ honing] sections of the forum that ask "What hone should I buy?", keeping in mind that the vast majority of the members answering these questions are only recommending what they use themselves without being able to compare to alternatives. There are shops out there that sells halfed or even quartered hones. It is hard to recommend these hones as they add unnessesary complications to honing. |
There is also a number of things you should remember before buying from online auction stores: | There is also a number of things you should remember before buying from online auction stores: | ||
| − | *There really are very, very, very, few true steals on hones on eBay...<ref>gssixgun in | + | *There really are very, very, very, few true steals on hones on eBay...<ref>gssixgun in http://straightrazorpalace.com/528408-post1.html</ref> |
| − | *There are very, very, very, few good hones on eBay period.<ref>gssixgun in | + | *There are very, very, very, few good hones on eBay period.<ref>gssixgun in http://straightrazorpalace.com/528408-post1.html</ref> |
| − | *If there is a good hone on eBay, trust me here, most of the Hone Hounds know it is there, and the bidding doesn't even count till the last 10 seconds.<ref>gssixgun in | + | *If there is a good hone on eBay, trust me here, most of the Hone Hounds know it is there, and the bidding doesn't even count till the last 10 seconds.<ref>gssixgun in http://straightrazorpalace.com/528408-post1.html</ref> |
== A Note About Chinese Synthetic Hones == | == A Note About Chinese Synthetic Hones == | ||
| − | Chinese synthetic waterstones are attractive due to their low price. However, the stated grit is typically equivalent to a 2000 grit lower Japanese waterstone (e.g. a 8000 grit Chinese waterstone is roughly equivalent to a 6000 grit Japanese waterstone). SRP members who tried them found that the edges are not as comfortable to shave with as the other hones mentioned above.<ref>hein31 in | + | Chinese synthetic waterstones are attractive due to their low price. However, the stated grit is typically equivalent to a 2000 grit lower Japanese waterstone (e.g. a 8000 grit Chinese waterstone is roughly equivalent to a 6000 grit Japanese waterstone). SRP members who tried them found that the edges are not as comfortable to shave with as the other hones mentioned above.<ref>hein31 in http://straightrazorpalace.com/hones/132611-any-difference-between-chinese-3k-8k-hones-2.html#post1730045</ref> |
== See also == <!-- * [[Bevel Creation Guide]] --> | == See also == <!-- * [[Bevel Creation Guide]] --> | ||
